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Posted by /u/holomorphic_chipotle

You asked about inbreeding and consanguineous marriages, but I think there is an even more important distinction we need to make first. As you rightly pointed out, consanguineous marriages have historically been quite common. The ocassional marriage to a second-degree cousin is not particularly dangerous — you share about as much DNA as with the average person — so while I wouldn't advocate consanguineous marriages [personally, I've never understood friends who only dated within our close circle of friends], I think the widespread disapproval of any kind of cousin marriage that you find in South Korea and the United States is somewhat exaggerated. What makes the Middle East somewhat different is the acceptance of first cousin marriages, specifically parallel cousin marriages.

So what is a parallel cousin? In anthropology, the children of a parent's same-sex siblings are called parallel cousins: both the children of your mom's sister(s) and the children of your dad's brother(s) are your parallel cousins. In contrast, the children of your dad's sister(s) and the children of your mom's brother(s) are your cross cousins. This is sometimes related to inheritance systems. For example, in some historical West African societies, only males could own land, yet inheritance went through the maternal line; this would have meant that if you maternal uncle passed away, you, and not his children, would inherit his land — assuming, of course, you were a male, for what would the past be without old-fashioned sexism?

In some cultures, you are expected to be closer to your cross cousins than to your parallel cousins, in other cultures it is the other way around, and in some others it makes no difference. Human societies have a miriad of ways to organize so I don't want to speak in absolutes, but some anthropologists have noted that in societies where both men and women inherit (or are given land as dowry), father's brother's daughter (FBD) marriages avoid the problem of family land being split. A more extreme form of this are uncle-niece marriages, of which the Habsburg became experts.

Andrey Vitalievich Korotayev is a Russian anthropologist and scholar of many different fields (politology, sociologist, economic historian) who has studied the prevalence of FBD marriages around the world. I will say upfront that I do not fully agree with his theories, which I feel are very close to cliodynamics (u/mikedash collected several posts that discuss this field); however, he did study this topic and it would be dishonest not to present his findings.

In 2000, he published Parallel-Cousin (FBD) Marriage, Islamization, and Arabization (DOI:10.2307/3774053), in which he found that by adjusting, combining, and correcting data taken from Murdock's 1967 and 1990 Ethnographic Atlases, he could rearrange the geographical groupings to show that the prevalence of FBD marriages is concentrated in the territories of the former Caliphate. Although he does not specify which one and refers to it as both the "Arab Khalifate" and the "Islamic Khalifate", and notes that 66% of the south-central Asian cultures studied also had preferred FBD marriage, he states:

There was no doubt that an area's inclusion in the eighth-century Arab Kahlifate (and remaining in the Islamic world afterwards) is one of the strongest possible preditcors of FBD marriage. But why?

Korotayev, 2000, p. 400

His explanation is that Islamic law granted inheritance rights to daughters, equivalent to half of those granted to sons [in middle school, one of my math tests had the question: How should a deceased man's estate be divided among his two children and wife if the son receives twice as much as the daughter, and the mother receives an amount equal to the average of the two children's shares? Answer: 4/9, 1/3, and 2/9]. While this norm did not cause problems in the Arab mercantile and nomadic culture, it created problems among the agricultural populations conquered by the Caliphate.

Korotayev also argued that FBD marriage was a cognitive solution that first emerged in Syro-Palestine before the common era, became a marriage pattern widespread among non-Islamic cultures (he mentions the Druze and Maronites), and spread throughout Arabia via Jewish influence. For this he cites the work of Patricia Crone, a very influential scholar thanks to her emphasis on source criticism and one of the initiators of the Revisionist School of Islamic Studies (see Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World), whose wider conclusions have nonetheless been rejected; she herself admitted years later that it was simply a hypothesis and not conclusive [by now, quoting Crone's early work about Islam uncritically is almost a give away that the author lacks familiarity with the historiography of early Islam]. This is another reason why I am not fully persuaded by Korotayev's explanation.

In any case, Korotayev linked the spread of FBD marriages, which appear to be unrelated to Islam in origin, to the processes of religious conversion and Arabization. First, conquered groups slowly converted to Islam, and then, over time, Arab norms and cultural practices were borrowed by the non-dominant Muslim groups present in the Caliphate. Though I have my doubts, I cannot evaluate whether this timeline of dual long-term processes is feasible. I will also note that this theory fails to explain the prevalence of FBD marriages in Muslim countries where little Arabization took place: While they exist in Central Asia, they are uncommon in Indonesia.

As for the Habsburg jaw, poor Charles II of Spain is an extreme case because his paternal grandfather was the result of an uncle-niece marriage, his maternal grandfather the offspring of first degree cousins, one of his grandmothers was a niece of the other, and his parents themselves were an uncle-niece marriage. This level of consanguinity is several times more extreme than the usual FBD marriage.

Reference:

  • Korotayev, A. (2000). Parallel-Cousin (FBD) Marriage, Islamization, and Arabization. Ethnology, 39(4), 395–407. DOI: 10.2307/3774053
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Posted by /u/AniTaneen

The history of Pellagra is a tragic one, here in the United States. Medical officials faced heavy pushback from politicians too ashamed and invested to admit that people were literally starving to death. And they kept pushing the idea that it was an infectious disease. Dr. Joseph Goldberger held “filth parties” with the press to show it wasn’t contagious. Content warning for the spoiler, gross out

each meeting he would take scrapings of his patients’ skin scabs, as well as stool and urine samples, and mix these excreta with flour or cracker crumbs, forming small, doughy pills. Then, one by one, no doubt with a sigh or a silent prayer, every party guest would choke down the pills.

https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/magazine/joseph-goldbergers-filth-parties/

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Posted by /u/Dapper_Tea7009

Yeah I doubt it’s serious.The first crusade is really intriguing in there defense..On another note,I think I might have asked someone or maybe you previously,but who is your favorite monarch or character to study?Considering you are a historian,there must be a monarch you are somewhat partial to?

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Posted by /u/ImmortalGazelle

Oh that’s quite interesting. I figured the use of red in political parties was older, but I thought that the Bolsheviks would have been the first major communist one to use the red. I’ll have to look more into that. Thanks

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Posted by /u/pytaur323

I think this video shows that he more than critiques power but also lays out specific strategies of resistance. You might not like them. But they are there. Not that such is a requirement of being a historian. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMFYp49uwze/?igsh=cjVrN3BvczFmeXR1

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Posted by /u/cnzmur

Sorry, was out of my account for a couple of days. Yeah, definitely. Rio was one of the more common stopovers, a few of the other accounts mention it (Nicol's for instance). Also 'petishioned' is 'partitioned', 'madjestrate' is 'magistrate' and so on.

It's an interesting text, as it certainly sounds like the direct words of a convict, but I was a bit unsure, you don't see published stuff like that very much, and some of the information seemed to be the same as published accounts. I checked now though, and in 2012 a guy looked into it, and it seems likely to be real. The author was a John Jobson, ‘alias Brown, alias Mellish, alias May’ from Manchester, who was transported in 1811, and the 'Mrs. T—' who the book is addressed to seems to be Esther Tatnell, prison reformer and wife of the Warwick County gaoler. The magazine's editor was interested in transportation, and he had a habit of making his arguments implicitly, just with quotes, so it seems like he really would publish a text like this as is.

Makes it a pretty interesting source. The spelling isn't even the best bit, it's the grammar where he reproduces spoken patterns of language that no one normally writes down.

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Posted by /u/Spam4119

After watching this movie again today [big spoilers ahead, please watch this movie first... it is best experienced without spoilers] I did some research, and the little girl in the movie, Setsuko, might have been suffering from pellagra. It is due to a niacin deficiency... usually from malnutrition. Its hallmark symptoms are a rash/discoloration of the skin, diarrhea, and delirium/dementia. Throughout the movie she exhibits those symptoms... the rash that gets worse, she complains about stomach pain and constant diarrhea... and then at the very end, she is delirious and confusing marbles with candy and thinking dirt is food (among other signs she is delirious)

Yes, sucking on stones is an old trick to help with keeping your mouth wet when dehydrated and whatnot... but I wonder if there is a deeper side where delirium sets in due to malnutrition like this movie shows.

Pellagra: Definition, Symptoms & Treatment https://share.google/O0PevPguOJOtcFwwh

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The Murderbot Diaries Timeline - Gamebird, ProfessorAerii, mensah - The Murderbot Diaries - Martha Wells [Archive of Our Own]:

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Hey! Ever wondered what happened when, or how long something took in The Murderbot Diaries? Well, buckle up! We’ve laid it all out here in this collaborative compilation of some of the best minds (or at least most obsessed) in the fandom.

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Posted by /u/Spam4119

After watching this movie again today [big spoilers ahead, please watch this movie first... it is best experienced without spoilers] I did some research, and the little girl in the movie, Setsuko, might have been suffering from pellagra. It is due to a niacin deficiency... usually from malnutrition. Its hallmark symptoms are a rash/discoloration of the skin, diarrhea, and delerium/dementia. Throughout the movie she exhibits those symptoms... the rash that gets worse, she complains about stomach pain and constant diarrhea... and then at the very end, she is delirious and confusing marbles with candy and thinking dirt is food (among other signs she is delirious)

Yes, sucking on stones is an old trick to help with keeping your mouth wet when dehydrated and whatnot... but I wonder if there is a deeper side where delirium sets in due to malnutrition like this movie shows.

Pellagra: Definition, Symptoms & Treatment https://share.google/O0PevPguOJOtcFwwh

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Posted by /u/amk9000

I think it's far older than that, and broader than communism or Marxism

The song The Red Flag was written 1889, and has been used by the British Labour Party since its founding in 1900.

The Labour Party is often said to owe more to Methodism than Marxism.

Linking a mirror of an old version of the Liberator song book, which includes The Pink Flag as well, because it's funnier.

The Pink Flag

(Tune: Tannenbaum)

The people's flag is slightly pink,
It's not as red as most folks think.
We must not let the people know
What socialists thought long ago.

Chorus:
Don't let the scarlet banner float.
We want the middle classes vote.
Let our old-fashioned comrades sneer,
We'll stay in power for many a year.

Some years ago the flag was red;
No-one knew then what was ahead.
It witnessed many a deed and vow -
We cannot use that colour now.
Chorus

It well recalled the triumphs past,
It gave the hope of peace at last
But once in government it's plain
The red flag none shall see again.
Chorus

With heads uncovered once we swore
Always to bear it on before.
With power now our first concern
We have to let the red flag burn.
Chorus

(The Liberator is an independent publication for radical liberals, but its writers are most closely associated with the old British Liberal Party and later Liberal Democrats. It is not unbiased.)

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