comments : AskHistorians ([syndicated profile] askhistorianscomment_feed) wrote2025-08-11 05:12 am

/u/legal_opium on Is it true the British forced opium onto people?

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Yep it was a war of silver. The downfall of china came not from opium itself but from trying to prohibition the trade which led to profits exploding even higher and even more silver flowing out and a large chunk of the country rebelling against the tyranny of prohibition.

comments : AskHistorians ([syndicated profile] askhistorianscomment_feed) wrote2025-08-11 05:08 am

/u/not_that_united on In Grave of the Fireflies the main character Seita says he died Sep 21, 1945.

Posted by /u/not_that_united

Barefoot Gen is another semi-autobiographical work and depicts very similar famine and orphans nearing starvation hanging around public areas. Like Grave of the Fireflies, there's some fictionalized elements, but the author has similarly indicated that most of the story comes directly from his own childhood experiences.

comments : AskHistorians ([syndicated profile] askhistorianscomment_feed) wrote2025-08-11 05:03 am

/u/WartimeHotTot on In the film Enemy at the Gates, how accurate is the scene where Russians are sho

Posted by /u/WartimeHotTot

I’ve never heard of the term “barrier troops,” and Comrade Marshal Zhukov seems to take it for granted that we know what is being referred to by this term. Is this a “barrier” against the opposing army or a barrier against their own troops at the front?

Can someone give a quick definition of what is meant by this, a sort of primer so I can better understand his response right out of the gates?

comments : AskHistorians ([syndicated profile] askhistorianscomment_feed) wrote2025-08-11 05:01 am

/u/Deep-Act-5414 on Why is the Arab conquest and settlement of North Africa normally referred to as

Posted by /u/Deep-Act-5414

In my global history, Humans: The 300,000 Year Struggle for Equality, I use the term "Arab colonization" and note that "Arab colonization involved foreign military power and cultural influence that resulted in both Arabization and Islamization." I point out the many similarities to European colonialism and Arab colonialism, both in terms of the barbarism of the conquerors and the strategies for resistance of the colonized peoples. In both cases, I point out that the extent to which colonialists wiped out local cultures varied a great deal. "Both Arab and Central Asian conquests were motivated primarily by territorial aspirations, with conversion of conquered populations to Islam a secondary objective. Forced religious conversions were rare. But Islamic invaders, like pagan and Christian empire-builders before them, assumed control of the political and economic life of the territories they occupied, particularly in the urban areas. Ambitious Indigenous peoples of occupied areas, generally members of previously established elites, converted to Islam to gain entry to those important spheres of life." That produced massive conversions in Indonesia but no more than 10 to 20 percent in India. In Africa, people enslaved by Arabs who converted to Islam were freed. But, everywhere, the depth of conversions must be questioned. As with Christianity, many Muslim societies were syncretic, that is they combined in each person beliefs from their new religions with existing beliefs, often with contradictory values. For centuries the common people in areas captured by Arabs in Africa "retained their existing religious beliefs and practices, including ancestor worship and praying to multiple deities."

comments : AskHistorians ([syndicated profile] askhistorianscomment_feed) wrote2025-08-11 04:59 am

/u/holomorphic_chipotle on What is the history behind the incredibly high inbreeding rate among Arab

Posted by /u/holomorphic_chipotle

You asked about inbreeding and consanguineous marriages, but I think there is an even more important distinction we need to make first. As you rightly pointed out, consanguineous marriages have historically been quite common. The ocassional marriage to a second-degree cousin is not particularly dangerous — you share about as much DNA as with the average person — so while I wouldn't advocate consanguineous marriages [personally, I've never understood friends who only dated within our close circle of friends], I think the widespread disapproval of any kind of cousin marriage that you find in South Korea and the United States is somewhat exaggerated. What makes the Middle East somewhat different is the acceptance of first cousin marriages, specifically parallel cousin marriages.

So what is a parallel cousin? In anthropology, the children of a parent's same-sex siblings are called parallel cousins: both the children of your mom's sister(s) and the children of your dad's brother(s) are your parallel cousins. In contrast, the children of your dad's sister(s) and the children of your mom's brother(s) are your cross cousins. This is sometimes related to inheritance systems. For example, in some historical West African societies, only males could own land, yet inheritance went through the maternal line; this would have meant that if you maternal uncle passed away, you, and not his children, would inherit his land — assuming, of course, you were a male, for what would the past be without old-fashioned sexism?

In some cultures, you are expected to be closer to your cross cousins than to your parallel cousins; in other cultures, it is the other way around, and in some others it makes no difference. Human societies have myriad ways of organizing so I don't want to speak in absolutes, but some anthropologists have noted that in societies where both men and women inherit land (or receive it as a dowry), father's brother's daughter (FBD) marriages avoid the problem of family land becoming too small and fragmented. An extreme form of this are uncle-niece marriages, a practice with which the Habsburgs became quite familiar.

Andrey Vitalievich Korotayev is a Russian anthropologist and scholar of many different fields (politology, sociologist, economic historian) who has studied the prevalence of FBD marriages around the world. I will say upfront that I do not fully agree with his theories, which I feel are very close to cliodynamics (u/mikedash collected several posts that discuss this field); however, he did study this topic and it would be dishonest not to present his findings.

In 2000, he published Parallel-Cousin (FBD) Marriage, Islamization, and Arabization (DOI:10.2307/3774053), in which he found that by adjusting, combining, and correcting data taken from Murdock's 1967 and 1990 Ethnographic Atlases, he could rearrange the geographical groupings to show that the prevalence of FBD marriages is concentrated in the territories of the former Caliphate. Although he does not specify which one, refers to it as both the "Arab Khalifate" and the "Islamic Khalifate", and notes that 66% of the south-central Asian cultures studied also preferred FBD marriage, he states:

There was no doubt that an area's inclusion in the eighth-century Arab Kahlifate (and remaining in the Islamic world afterwards) is one of the strongest possible preditcors of FBD marriage. But why?

Korotayev, 2000, p. 400

His explanation is that Islamic law granted inheritance rights to daughters, equivalent to half of those granted to sons [in middle school, one of my math tests had the question: How should a deceased man's estate be divided among his two children and wife if the son receives twice as much as the daughter, and the mother receives an amount equal to the average of the two children's shares? Answer: 4/9, 1/3, and 2/9]. While this norm did not cause problems in the Arab mercantile and nomadic culture, it created problems among the agricultural populations conquered by the Caliphate.

Korotayev also argued that FBD marriage was a cognitive solution that first emerged in Syro-Palestine before the common era, became a marriage pattern widespread among non-Islamic cultures (he mentions the Druze and Maronites), and spread throughout Arabia via Jewish influence. For this he cites the work of Patricia Crone, a very influential scholar thanks to her emphasis on source criticism and one of the initiators of the Revisionist School of Islamic Studies (see Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World), whose wider conclusions have nonetheless been rejected; she herself admitted years later that it was simply a hypothesis and not conclusive [by now, quoting Crone's early work about Islam uncritically is almost a give away that the author lacks familiarity with the historiography of early Islam]. This is another reason why I am not fully persuaded by Korotayev's explanation.

In any case, Korotayev linked the spread of FBD marriages, which appear to be unrelated to Islam in origin, to the processes of religious conversion and Arabization. First, conquered groups slowly converted to Islam, and then, over time, Arab norms and cultural practices were borrowed by the non-dominant Muslim groups present in the Caliphate. Though I have my doubts, I cannot evaluate whether this timeline of dual long-term processes is feasible. I will also note that this theory fails to explain the prevalence of FBD marriages in Muslim countries where little Arabization took place: While they exist in Central Asia, they are uncommon in Indonesia.

As for the Habsburg jaw, poor Charles II of Spain is an extreme case because his paternal grandfather was the result of an uncle-niece marriage, his maternal grandfather the offspring of first degree cousins, one of his grandmothers was a niece of the other, and his parents themselves were an uncle-niece marriage. This level of consanguinity is several times more extreme than the usual FBD marriage.

Reference:

  • Korotayev, A. (2000). Parallel-Cousin (FBD) Marriage, Islamization, and Arabization. Ethnology, 39(4), 395–407. DOI: 10.2307/3774053
comments : AskHistorians ([syndicated profile] askhistorianscomment_feed) wrote2025-08-11 04:54 am

/u/SnooDonuts6494 on Does baking bread have one or multiple independent origins?

Posted by /u/SnooDonuts6494

I baked bread, an hour ago.

Roughly 2 mugs of flour. A pack of yeast. About two tablespoons of sugar. 1 of salt. A glop of oil. A cup of warm water.

I emphasise the random nature. I do not measure anything. Seriously, I threw it together. It still works. It's great. Perfect.

Flour and water is all. The rest is... what I have handy. Some kind of fat. Milk if I feel fancy. Whatever.

how and where did people learn to bake bread initially?

Mum.

comments : AskHistorians ([syndicated profile] askhistorianscomment_feed) wrote2025-08-11 04:47 am

/u/jschooltiger on What are your thoughts on Benito Mussolini as a leader?

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/u/small-black-cat-290 on What made the 1950 film "Sunset Boulevard" so explosive, and infuriating t

Posted by /u/small-black-cat-290

Great answer! I'm curious - did Mayer ever get heavy into film producing the same way Jack Warner did? (My Fair Lady comes to mind with the latter).

Also, I thought it was Olivia de Haviland's lawsuit that essentially brought down the old studio system. Am I getting mixed up with something else?

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/u/holomorphic_chipotle on What is the history behind the incredibly high inbreeding rate among Arab

Posted by /u/holomorphic_chipotle

You asked about inbreeding and consanguineous marriages, but I think there is an even more important distinction we need to make first. As you rightly pointed out, consanguineous marriages have historically been quite common. The ocassional marriage to a second-degree cousin is not particularly dangerous — you share about as much DNA as with the average person — so while I wouldn't advocate consanguineous marriages [personally, I've never understood friends who only dated within our close circle of friends], I think the widespread disapproval of any kind of cousin marriage that you find in South Korea and the United States is somewhat exaggerated. What makes the Middle East somewhat different is the acceptance of first cousin marriages, specifically parallel cousin marriages.

So what is a parallel cousin? In anthropology, the children of a parent's same-sex siblings are called parallel cousins: both the children of your mom's sister(s) and the children of your dad's brother(s) are your parallel cousins. In contrast, the children of your dad's sister(s) and the children of your mom's brother(s) are your cross cousins. This is sometimes related to inheritance systems. For example, in some historical West African societies, only males could own land, yet inheritance went through the maternal line; this would have meant that if you maternal uncle passed away, you, and not his children, would inherit his land — assuming, of course, you were a male, for what would the past be without old-fashioned sexism?

In some cultures, you are expected to be closer to your cross cousins than to your parallel cousins, in other cultures it is the other way around, and in some others it makes no difference. Human societies have a miriad of ways to organize so I don't want to speak in absolutes, but some anthropologists have noted that in societies where both men and women inherit (or are given land as dowry), father's brother's daughter (FBD) marriages avoid the problem of family land being split. A more extreme form of this are uncle-niece marriages, of which the Habsburg became experts.

Andrey Vitalievich Korotayev is a Russian anthropologist and scholar of many different fields (politology, sociologist, economic historian) who has studied the prevalence of FBD marriages around the world. I will say upfront that I do not fully agree with his theories, which I feel are very close to cliodynamics (u/mikedash collected several posts that discuss this field); however, he did study this topic and it would be dishonest not to present his findings.

In 2000, he published Parallel-Cousin (FBD) Marriage, Islamization, and Arabization (DOI:10.2307/3774053), in which he found that by adjusting, combining, and correcting data taken from Murdock's 1967 and 1990 Ethnographic Atlases, he could rearrange the geographical groupings to show that the prevalence of FBD marriages is concentrated in the territories of the former Caliphate. Although he does not specify which one and refers to it as both the "Arab Khalifate" and the "Islamic Khalifate", and notes that 66% of the south-central Asian cultures studied also had preferred FBD marriage, he states:

There was no doubt that an area's inclusion in the eighth-century Arab Kahlifate (and remaining in the Islamic world afterwards) is one of the strongest possible preditcors of FBD marriage. But why?

Korotayev, 2000, p. 400

His explanation is that Islamic law granted inheritance rights to daughters, equivalent to half of those granted to sons [in middle school, one of my math tests had the question: How should a deceased man's estate be divided among his two children and wife if the son receives twice as much as the daughter, and the mother receives an amount equal to the average of the two children's shares? Answer: 4/9, 1/3, and 2/9]. While this norm did not cause problems in the Arab mercantile and nomadic culture, it created problems among the agricultural populations conquered by the Caliphate.

Korotayev also argued that FBD marriage was a cognitive solution that first emerged in Syro-Palestine before the common era, became a marriage pattern widespread among non-Islamic cultures (he mentions the Druze and Maronites), and spread throughout Arabia via Jewish influence. For this he cites the work of Patricia Crone, a very influential scholar thanks to her emphasis on source criticism and one of the initiators of the Revisionist School of Islamic Studies (see Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World), whose wider conclusions have nonetheless been rejected; she herself admitted years later that it was simply a hypothesis and not conclusive [by now, quoting Crone's early work about Islam uncritically is almost a give away that the author lacks familiarity with the historiography of early Islam]. This is another reason why I am not fully persuaded by Korotayev's explanation.

In any case, Korotayev linked the spread of FBD marriages, which appear to be unrelated to Islam in origin, to the processes of religious conversion and Arabization. First, conquered groups slowly converted to Islam, and then, over time, Arab norms and cultural practices were borrowed by the non-dominant Muslim groups present in the Caliphate. Though I have my doubts, I cannot evaluate whether this timeline of dual long-term processes is feasible. I will also note that this theory fails to explain the prevalence of FBD marriages in Muslim countries where little Arabization took place: While they exist in Central Asia, they are uncommon in Indonesia.

As for the Habsburg jaw, poor Charles II of Spain is an extreme case because his paternal grandfather was the result of an uncle-niece marriage, his maternal grandfather the offspring of first degree cousins, one of his grandmothers was a niece of the other, and his parents themselves were an uncle-niece marriage. This level of consanguinity is several times more extreme than the usual FBD marriage.

Reference:

  • Korotayev, A. (2000). Parallel-Cousin (FBD) Marriage, Islamization, and Arabization. Ethnology, 39(4), 395–407. DOI: 10.2307/3774053